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Saturday, September 02, 2023

A Token Economy (Bribery and Bullshit)

It was a busy week.

Spent some time on Wednesday at my new school with my manager and my new assistant. I did not meet him at the training session last week, he was on vacation. So this was the first time we officially met.

Jim is very nice, and I think we'll work well together.

He's smart and funny and I'm sure we'll get along. He was a great help in getting toys and games onto our rolling shelves and putting things away in the little room we have for our stuff.

He already knows I won't be participating in any kind of trinket/ticket/condescending bribery games with the kids because I talked briefly about it with him.

Funny story about that.

Our inclusion specialist, Wendy (the only person I've met so far that I really don't like... and no, the reason for my dislike is not because she thinks a reward system is a good idea) had scheduled a Zoom meeting with me, my team and our manager.

Before the meeting, I received a questionnaire via email. One of the questions asked my feelings about using tickets/stars/trinkets to 'obtain compliance' with my group.

On that survey it was referred to as positive reinforcement, but I prefer to use the more accurate term, operant conditioning. If what you're doing with a large group of kids makes some of them feel good at the expense of others, it's not positive.

It sets up a hierarchy which places a power tripping adult at the top (Hey, Ma! Look how great I am at controlling kids!) and fosters competition. Coercion is not a positive or respectful way to interact with young humans.

It makes a lot of extra work for the adult in charge, too. Keeping track of stars or tickets or whatever takes extra work and time.

Let me tell you... we do NOT have time for extra work.
We're kept plenty busy as it is.

Whatever rewards you're punishing kids with are inevitably unfair, too. Good behavior is a broad category and 'right' is a subjective concept.

I won't subject my kids to a token economy. About a month after this company hired me I had a lengthy discussion with Wendy about Alfie Kohn's books,  intrinsic vs extrinsic rewards and told her that cleaning up the LEGO or the art table or treating each other with respect should never be tied to any kind of reward or punishment.

"We all clean together because we all made the mess together. The kids participate in the clean up because they are part of our team. I get up and clean, too. I help them organize our shelves. We all just work together and I have a constant dialog with them, both about their expectations and mine. If there are issues between kids or a pattern of behavior that needs to change, I talk to them. We sit down together and figure it out. No reason for all that extra stuff."

We did talk a bit, and (of course) she remained certain then and still believes now that
subjecting children to a system of bribery and bullshit is an effective and necessary ingredient for a program's success.

She seriously could not understand how I take care of problem behaviors without cheesy prizes and some kind of system for keeping track of how good kids are.

Fair enough, because
I seriously don't understand why people are so ignorant about kids. Weren't they children at one time? I remember so clearly what it was like to be a kid and how powerless I felt.

I tried not to be a jerk, but I did refuse to implement anything like that in my program with one exception. If it's part of a behavioral plan that's instituted by the child's teacher/counselor/parents, then of course I'll do what's asked. 

"I won't like it," I said, "But I won't undermine what a family and school have decided."

When my manager followed up with me, I assured him that this is a hill I am willing to die on. He said that I probably wouldn't have to die.
So far, so good. Ha.

Wendy is well aware of my feelings.
Can't imagine why she thought those feelings would have changed since March, which is when we had that conversation.

So she told me to notify my team about the planned meeting and send them the link so they could participate only to cancel at the last minute 'based on your responses to the survey I sent to you'.

Since I don't have any kids who are on some kind of behavioral modification plan, she decided that we don't have to meet after all. Good. I didn't want to go through the whole thing again. I already said no. That's not changing.

It feels inauthentic and dishonest for me to use those methods in a large group when mutual regard and straightforward conversations feel so much more respectful to me.

It's different for people to do things like that with their own kids, but in my setting and with a large group, I don't find it necessary and won't be pushed into it.

"Positive reinforcement"?
Manipulative crap described in less ugly words.
Why not just say operant conditioning or behavior modification?

And, if you use those flowery phrases rather than being straightforward, are you fooling yourself?
Somehow I doubt it.
You know what you're doing.

So no meeting about manipulating kids this week.

On Wednesday afternoon my new manager (if she's even 30 yet I'll eat the candles on her next birthday cake and possibly the ones on mine) was perplexed when I told her that I didn't need the bag of prizes she brought to me.

"In 19 years of doing this job, I have never had to resort to bribery," I told her. "I'm not willing to start doing that now, either."

"Well, I wouldn't call it bribery," she said.

"Really? That's what it is. Giving kids rewards for expected contributions to the group instead of just expecting it and having a dialog sounds like bribery to me."

I could see the gears sort of grinding along. She is very young, but she's above me on the food chain at this company. I'm fine with that, I have no interest in doing her job. I'd hate it and I wouldn't be good at it, either. I know exactly where I should be and it works.

So then she *had* to say something more.
Couldn't just... leave it, now could we?

I mean, she's a MANAGER!
She has to show me she knows a lot about my job.

She might, I don't know her well enough to have asked about her job experience. She's not a jerk. She isn't a stupid person.

I like her just fine, really.

And I'm aware that it's a pain in the ass to have someone like me. I'm direct and opinionated. I know this.

But I'm willing to bet she was eight years old or so when I started doing this work. I have more experience with children than she does.

She said, "Well, if you're not going to do some kind of incentive system, I would just encourage you to give them a lot of praise and positive feedback."



Flip me a fish, guys, I didn't say, "No shit, Sherlock."

I smiled and said, "This isn't my first rodeo. So far I've managed to have respectful interactions and conversations with kids and most of the time, things go along smoothly and work out pretty well that way. Have you read Alfie Kohn's Punished by Rewards?"

Of course she hasn't.

So I told her to,"Read it. Then come back and we'll talk."
(Spoiler... she's not going to read it.)

We were busy with getting things ready for the family back-to-school event that was to happen that evening, and didn't spend any more time on the subject.

I also feel like it's a waste of my time to really get into the issue with her.

To tell her that instead of straightforward conversations with other people (kids are people, too, just haven't been doing it as long as we have) a reward system makes interactions into transactions.

Rewards work to get the desired behavior, but they don't change how kids think. I'd rather help them learn self control than do some sort of superficial guidance for my own convenience.

The carrot and stick method was invented to get donkeys to work.
Plod along doing whatever their masters wanted.

The difference is that we're dealing with human beings, not jackasses.

Why is this so hard to understand? I realize that people get ideas about stuff like this, and I'm no different, my mind is certainly made up.

But I've changed. I used to see incentives as a good thing. Possibly a neutral thing. I didn't know it could be harmful.

It's only been since I did a bunch of reading, even more reading, expended a lot of thought energy and observed the kids I work with that I was able to think about it differently. The process took several years.

I know I'm once again tilting at windmills.

Haha, I guess I'm the one who's hard to teach.

14 comments:

  1. No you're not. You are the one who gets it. Maybe they need to let you be and see how it works out. You were hired after stating your stance on this, so the butt-inners need to butt out.

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    1. I was unclear when I wrote, edit happening soon. I was hired in January, the conversation with Wendy was in March. But they threw me into a madhouse program and I had started to turn things around when I made the decision to ask to be moved to one of the new programs. Starting a program and building things is really my passion. But my feelings about rewards and trinkets aren't going to change. Other than compromising if it's a parent/school mandate, I won't budge. This kid ain't doing rewards!

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  2. it sounds like her mind is made up and she doesn't want to learn where you're coming from.

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    1. That's probably true. I'm not willing to listen to her, either. Guess it's a draw. But where it's really important is in my dealings with the young humans placed in my care. So as long as I am allowed to do things my way, it's not going to matter a whole lot.

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  3. I had to look up "tilting at windmills". I'd never heard that phrase before. Google knew all about it.

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    1. Misspent youth... I read everything I could get my hands on. Lots of things that weren't appropriate for my age, but my dad was adamant that I should be able to read anything I wanted. Don Quixote was a bit above my head, but I understood on a deep level the idea of quests and futility. :)

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  4. The status quo is hard to question, as you know. Some people will never get it. But I'm glad you won't have to actually die on that hill.

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    1. Me too!
      Conditioning is so hard to escape.
      And there is nothing more stubborn than an educrat who learned about kids from a book.

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  5. I'm not entirely opposed to rewards, but rather than offering them as incentives to do what they should be voluntarily learning to do without any expectations, I reward what they do on their own that they don't have the expectation of anything in return, just doing it becoz they know and have learned it is the Right thing to do whether or not it's acknowledged by others. My kids know that as they've built good Character, that always comes with an Action from me to show them how much I appreciate the wonderful Humans they've become or are becoming better at as they continue on this Journey of Life.

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    1. I don't disagree with how people choose to take care of business in their families... it's a different thing. But giving someone a gift or thank you is so different from 'do the laundry and I'll give you a piece of candy'.

      I very strongly feel that incentivizing expectations with my kids at work is wrong for me to do, though. I won't explain here since I just went on and on and on up there ^^. LOL... that's what I do. I go on and on and on.

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    2. Well I can certainly relate to going Long and I am in Agreement with you on outside of Family, having to incentivize people to do EVERYTHING from an early Age does set up a sense of Entitlement and expectations that aren't Realistic or tenable. I think you do an excellent job with your Students, you're the kind of Teacher and Caregiver of Children that I always fully appreciated leaving my Kiddos in the Care of.

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    3. Programs that rely on rewards have more issues, too. When I ask a kid to please clean up, they just do it. I have been in programs where I ask for cleanup and kids actually say, "What do we get?"
      Gahhhh.

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  6. You see the kids as the first priority. Others see the kids as a component. Regarding behavior modification, it wasn't until my autistic sun had a teacher who focused on learning that my son started improving.

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    1. I love my young humans, can't deny it. I just don't get how people can be so condescending and disrespectful and think it's okay because 'they're kids'. It must have been amazing to get a teacher who saw your son as a capable learner and thought he was worth working with.

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