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Monday, October 12, 2020

Asking Questions

I was dragged to church my entire life until I left home at 17.

(For more than you ever wanted to know about my religious experiences, you can go visit Bruce's blog and read part 1 and part 2 of my story. )

Church on Sunday mornings.
A 'fellowship' potluck or picnic at least once a month.
Bible study on Wednesday evenings.

I hated it. I hated getting up early (that has never changed, I'm nearly 60 years old and getting up early is still near the top of my 'I hate that' list) and getting dressed up for Sunday services. It was often chilly and usually drafty in the buildings where we met, I had to wear nylons and a dress to church.

Every Sunday from October to June, I froze my ass off.

I asked once why I couldn’t wear something comfortable like my brothers instead of having to wear a dress and nylons and be cold.

“Why does God even care what I wear?” I asked.

The answer was, “You are disrespectful. Now hurry up, we’re late.” from my harried mother.

Her curt response may have been due to the fact that she was still trying to brush one brother’s unruly hair and get shoes on my other brother while my dad sat out front in the car and honked the horn.

Where I grew up, church was almost everyone's social club.
Not mine, the same asshole kids I went to school with were in church, too.
Small towns, which parents look at and say, "Oh what a lovely place to raise children!" are not the utopian ideal to the kids who are stuck there, lemme tell ya.


Asking questions was not looked at as a positive thing in those churches we attended.
You may find it difficult to believe that I wasn't outspoken and snarky as a young teen, especially as irreverent and smart-assy as I am now, but it's true.

I was quiet, stayed on the fringes of just about everything and tried to be a good kid.

So when I was about 12, I asked my Sunday school teacher (in front of the whole class), "Why did Jesus have to die for MY sins? I've never done anything that deserves a death penalty!"

Some of the other kids were quick to ask, too.
"Yeah, how come?"
"I never did anything that bad."

I don't remember what the teacher said exactly, it was some bullshit about 'the sins of mankind' and then he moved on to some other thing.

After church services that evening, as we were all getting ready for bed at home, my dad told me that if I had 'big questions' about church and sin that I should come and ask him privately instead of causing other kids to doubt. 

I know what he meant now, but I really didn't get it then.

I have feelings about people whose faith is so weak that someone asking an honest question would lead them astray, but I guess there are weak-minded people here and there.

I didn't remember that I was supposed to ask awkward questions at home rather than Sunday school. It wasn't long before I asked if people actually believed that kangaroos and koalas hopped all the way to Noah's house so they could get a ride on the ark and then hopped all the way home again after the flood was over.

The rest of the kids found that hysterical, although I wasn't trying to be funny.
The teacher did not find it humorous at all.

Once again my dad reminded me that, "We can discuss these things at home."

The trouble with that was that I never remembered before I started the question out loud, then I felt funny if I didn't finish, so I finished.

"Who did Adam and Eve's sons marry? They couldn't marry their sisters, could they?"

One of my brother's classmates died in a house fire over the Christmas holidays.
"Isn't God all-powerful?"
"Yes, of course."
"Then why did Darcy die in a fire? Didn't he like her?"

I never did get a straight answer to that one.

I stopped asking questions a long time ago.

I'm not religious. I don't believe in any gods.

I'm fine with other people believing whatever they want as long as they're not bothering me with it. I hate having people knock on my door trying to sell me cleaning supplies, vacuum cleaners, political candidates or religion.

I did not raise my kids in church, although I told them many times over the years that if they were interested in going, I would take them. They did attend with my parents a few times.

It never occurred to me to warn either one about the loud outbursts that happened in the services, I grew up with it and although I find it crazy now, it just seemed like part of the deal then.

So when they came home from a visit to Eastern Oregon and regaled me with tales from the wingnuts, I apologized to them for not better-preparing them for the experience.

They had a lot of questions.





12 comments:

  1. I only went to church until I was about 8. My mother and father were raised catholic. It took with my father. Not so much my mother. You could get her talking about the nuns hitting her in school and she would just about spit she'd get so worked up. So I bailed at 8 years old.

    So who did I marry? A church going girl. But she understood me not wanting to go. She was into it though. She went to seminary as a methodist. Then she had the methodist's shit on her two courses before she graduated. "Sorry but the church has pulled their backing of you." Then she went for chaplaincy and got her certification.

    What I found funny about chaplaincy is you are a chaplain to 'every' faith. If someone says they are a satanist and need spiritual guidance, you become a satanist. I remember one time at the hospital she worked at a muslim needed a Quran. Off the the mosque she went and got him one. If someone says they are a Christian chaplain you can tell them, no your not. There is no such thing.

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    1. That's really interesting. I have a cousin who is a chaplain, she was in counseling for years and years herself, and I think it gave her a lot of empathy and understanding.

      I don't discuss religion with my parents or the one brother who's religious, it just makes friction for no good reason. I haven't ever told my parents that I no longer believe, either. It wouldn't do anything to help ease their last few years on earth.

      But the craziness in the name of religion just astounds me.

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  2. I never took my sons to church. On their own, and on their own time, they became "religious". One is most definitely not Christian. I'm not sure if he is full blown Satanist, nor do I worry about it. What I do care is they are decent, caring humans. They are, and that fills me with joy.

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    1. Yes. I lost count of the number of people wondering aloud how I would teach my children morality without making them go to church. Lots of quotes out there about that one.

      And the number of people who have weaponized their religion is just one more reason I don't believe. A 'good' god wouldn't allow that shit in his (or her) name.

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  3. I love your questions! Here's another for you: Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?

    You know I go to church. I know you don't go to church. For some reason, we've been able to get along just fine. Wish other people could understand basic respect and compassion. But it gets turned into "I'm right and your wrong". A shame.

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    1. It *is* a shame.
      Seems to me that there are many types of Christians, too. Some actually try to do what they believe they were asked to do, some.. .well, the quote from Anne Lamott always seems appropriate, 'You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.'

      I am so tired of people harming others in the name of religion.

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  4. I do not like organized religion. No religion no war as far as I'm concerned. But I am also not a sheep. As soon as I bailed my parents home I left all that had been drilled into me for 18 yrs. I like to think I am a reformed Catholic.

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    1. I'm very glad to be free from religion.
      I won't take the comfort of others away, I know my mom believes with all her heart that she's going to heaven and that everything is all planned out and God is watching out for her.
      She has "God is good all the time, all the time God is good" on the wall in her kitchen. I want to stab a fork through it. lol

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  5. I was raised Catholic. Until they showed a VERY inappropriate movie about abortion to all of us in CCD without permission of my parents, I was maybe 9. That was the end of that. I could go to church if I wanted, but Mom never pushed the issue. Oldest was baptized, and by the time Youngest came along 16 months later, the whole church had fallen to scandal, and nearly every church in the area had had priests *moved* to Europe. Including my BIL's childhood priest, who was conducting their wedding in a few months. That was awesome.

    I am, however, very spiritual. I believe that you get back what you give out. That if I live wholly and with good intentions, I will have what I need. And if I leave the earth leaving it a fraction better for anyone than my *work* has been done.

    My standard answer is this: "I don't need to share, type AMEN, or stand in a church on Sunday to be right with a higher power. I'm down with Jesus, we're working through some stuff right now, but we're tight."

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    1. I can't even tell you how many sketchy men I met at churches. Once I started being a woman rather than a little girl I encountered a lot of awkward situations.

      I feel much the same about getting what you give, but I don't attach a deeper spiritual meaning to it. For me, it's enough to be decent and to do the best I can to give kindness. Whether it's advocating for kids and building them up or anonymously donating 25 bucks to someone, I feel that doing a kindness is the only REAL control any of us have.

      I like the idea of leaving the earth better, but I suppose that goes along with the above. Be kind.

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  6. I went to church every Sunday with my parents or my grandparents too. But we had primary school everyday after school for my dad's Mormon church.Then on Sunday morning we went there as well. Sunday afternoon I went with my grandma and grandpa on my mom's side to their baptist church.There was a lot of church until I was 10 and went to Sunday services at the Mormon church and I wore pants because it was cold and raining and they made me sit outside on the steps in the rain. When I got home 2 hours later I told my mom I wasn't going to church anymore and she didn't make me. That was the last time I went to church.

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    1. Oh wow. I had a good friend who went to the Baptist church. She was required to wear dresses at all times (so were her sisters) and during the freezing winters, all of them froze their butts off. 10 below zero? Doesn't matter. HAD to wear a dress.

      Good for your mom, backing you like that.

      I just can't find any reason to believe in any god.

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