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Monday, March 02, 2009

How do you handle a bully?

More profanity ahead.

I've been told it's the sign of a small mind and that grownups don't need to use those kinds of words.

To which I politely answer, "Bullshit."

So once again, don't read this post if profanity isn't your thing.
(By now, though, you ought to know what you'll find here on occasion. Profanity, used in new and creative ways whenever possible.)

There’s a message board I occasionally read. It used to be a much more active board, but things have slowed down, I’m not really sure why.

::sigh::

I liked that place a lot.

A mom posted this week about her eight year old son being bullied at Cub Scouts, and shared her advice to her son with the denizens of the board. (I can’t remember ever calling myself a denizen before... I sort of like it.)

She said she had been bullied as a child, and so had her husband. Here’s what she told her son:

1. STAY AWAY. Just don't go near him.

2. Refuse to react. Whatever he says, just ignore him. Not reacting will take away his power.

3. Bullies are clever and manipulative. They make sure things are stacked in their favor before they start anything. There is no point in counter-attacking a bully, because you will get in trouble, but he won't.

4. If you feel stuck ask an adult for help.

Well, with all due respect (I used to give Matt the same platitudes when he was incarcerated in the first grade seated next to one of the worst bullying assholes I ever saw.) those trite and untrue ideas DO NOT WORK.

They enable the bully to continue with his behavior, and it escalates. This is how bullies end up committing murder 15 years down the line. (And yes, I know that not all of them grow up to kill...)

After the little asshole poked Matt with his pencil approximately 4,000 times, stole his crayons, hit him, tripped him, shoved him, laughed at him, and did other little pissy things with NO CONSEQUENCES, we got tired of it.

I talked to his teacher.
“Well,” she said condescendingly, “boys sometimes don’t get along. We like to let them work these things out on their own.”

“Yeah, but can’t you at least move the little bullying asshole to another seat???” (I didn't call him a bullying asshole out loud, just so you know.)

“Well, we like to let them work these things out on their own.”

Then, I talked to his principal. His job, of course, was to support the teacher.

“Well, we like to allow the kids room and time to work things out.”

Yeah, no shit, Sherlock.

But what you have here is a case of the inmates running the institution, and Asshole Boy has NOT RECEIVED ANY GODDAMN GUIDANCE!!

So here’s what I finally told Matt to do.
"Next time that little jerk pokes you with a pencil, haul off and punch him in the nose as hard as you can."

Remember, this was after trying to deal with the bully in conventional ways.
'just ignore him'
'walk away'
'tell an adult'

Ignoring him didn't work.
When Matt attempted to walk away, the little, er, jerk, followed him.
When Matt told an adult, he was thanked for tattling.

We got really, really tired of it.

I did make the effort to meet with the principal just once more. I informed him that Matt would not be allowed to throw the first punch, but that if little Fucknose bothered my son again, he would be in for a surprise.

Principal Milquetoast drew himself up in his chair and said, pompously, “Well! I can’t condone that!!”

“I didn’t ask you to,” I told him. “Your approval isn’t needed. He’s MY son, and since you've refused to deal with this crap, we’re taking care of it.”

And guess what? Fucknose was moved to another table and squelched several times a day by the teacher. He was suddenly being carefully observed by the recess monitor. Fucknose became like the abominable snowman... his teeth had been pulled and he no longer bit. It is the job of the adults in that situation to offer guidance and teach kids... and they were failing miserably.

I'm pretty sure they weren't thanking me for my advice behind my back, though. Not that I gave a shit.

There was also a bully in Matt’s 1st Cub Scout den.

This was after we'd taken Matt out of school.

Matt is a gentle person, and first, he tried all the failed methods we'd suggested in the past.
Over and over.

Finally, one night, he'd had enough. He launched himself across the room, took the bully down to the floor and started pounding on him. It took two adults to pull my eight year old off the bully.

And you know what? The bully NEVER picked on Matt again. Further, when the bully started on another kid, Matt told him to stop. (Something the adults, in their lofty efforts to let the kids work it out never bothered doing) and the bully STOPPED!!

So I don't condone throwing the first punch. And truly, I see it as a last resort. But one that actually works.

I get awfully tired of bullies being allowed to continue their lives as a a turd.

I didn’t arrive at this controversial attitude overnight.

Tomorrow, what ERIC thinks should be done to handle a bully.

13 comments:

  1. I agree with what you did!!!My daughter was picked on ruthlessly by a bully.I told her to ignore,do not show feelings of upset, and to go away.The bully just would not stop.After confrontations where I politely told adults including the mother to make it stop, it did not.I told my kid to go ahead and attack if they hit you first.It worked the bully stopped.Rule in this house do not start fight but you can finish the fight and you wont be in trouble.If you start the fight you are in trouble.

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  2. Anonymous7:13 AM

    "Fucknose"??

    Hahahaha.

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  3. i swear someone else posted about this recently. and i told them this, punch them in the nose. that's what my parents said, and i thought they were kidding. it was to the point i was being sexual harrassed daily. the kid finally got in trouble, and his female cousins all told me that if I GOT HIM in trouble again, that they'd beat me up. Great, like 6 on 1, when I'm the one being harassed. They said that was normal behavior and that they did that in their family that way (talk that way, etc). yuck. talk about disgusting.. anyway, point being if I had a free shot, I'd take a brick and smash the guy's nose in. YES, it still bothers me that much. I was 12, ugly, dirt poor, and didn't need to be sexually harassed on top of all of that.

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  4. and I spelled it wrong the first time, but you get the point.

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  5. Anonymous8:12 AM

    PL figured this one out early. After being harrassed by a couple of twins in Kindergarten, he learned the secret to being treated with respect: T-E-E-T-H. That's right. Padawan Learner became a biter. After a couple of good chomps, he had only to show his teeth to the twins to be left alone. When the teacher and principal called me in to "discuss the situation" I threw they're own platitude refraint back at them, "Like you said, boys need to figure these things out on their own."

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  6. I hate bullies and mean people. I was bullied in school and it was only one of the reasons why we homeschool our kids. I can't stand how the schools don't or can't? really do anything about it, but I love, love, love how you handled things with your son. No one should ever be allowed to bully others. Especially children bullying other children. That drives me nuts. It's our job as parents to teach the kids that it is not acceptable behavior! Ever.

    I wish all the fucknoses were put in their places!!

    Hugs!!

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  7. Scary teenager had an *issue* with a bully last year. This kids mother is a teacher in the school, and the school would do NOTHING. Their response to me *well if he would come to school all day* . (he attended for Japanese class only). This kids was and still is a PUNK.

    Over the summer he tried to beat ST up at the swimming pool. I had enough. Found out where the little punk lived knocked on the door and tried to talk to the mother. I am a FIRM believer the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. He was a bully because his mother is an adult bully. After trying to calmly speak to her, I explained the next time her kid messed with mine ST would NOT walk away.

    Sure enough the first week of this school year, this little punk pushed ST into his locker. ST hauled off and hit the kid. In we go to speak to the principal. The other kids was crying like a baby, and ST was upset because he just wanted the kid to leave him alone. ST was given detention for a week, the other kid had not messed with him again..

    I do see the mother at the store on occasion, she still seems like a bully....

    I can't wait to see Eric's response...

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  8. Sometimes you got to do what you got to do.
    Hopefully I will have my post up about bullies this week. I know you didn't ask, but it inspired me. So, if you don't mind I was going to write a post on bullies.
    Can't wait to hear Eric's side.

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  9. Yep, good advice. All the walking away in the world isn't going to stop a bully.

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  10. Wow, you got me really pissed at Fucknose. Yikes! I can only hope my kids will never run into bullies. Of course my son is so big, that nobody would ever dare picking on him. ;)

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  11. I think you were right on with your treatment of the situation. I would tell my kids the same thing In fact, I have. My oldest would take all sorts of abuse from the middle--I finally told him it would be ok to retaliate if she picked on him. It didn't stop the fighting, but it made it more fair!

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  12. Bullies are everywhere..in the workforce etc, everywhere. ANYWAYS, yep, agree with you. Sometimes one has to take that bull by the horns and litterly just slap the you know what out of him/her.

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  13. Anonymous10:41 AM

    Why do the schools do NOTHING?!?! I volunteered regularly when my kids were in school and the entire place was in denial about the bullying in the bathroom--except me and the teacher who's classroom was across the hall from the bathroom. The principal and I had words regularly about the bullying. Of course homeschool kids bully too, but they are much more likely to get caught and have something done about it.

    I have to admit that I am a pacifist and somewhat PC but we also have the rule that the kids won't get in trouble with us, the parental unit, as long as they don't throw the first punch and that it's in self-defense. As a matter of fact we have told two of our kids to stand up to their sometimes bullying sister (and yes she does get in trouble for her aggressiveness) because she needs to learn that bullying is not allowed in our family. I remember having to stand up to my cousin. Bullies exist and, yes, we need to stand up to them to stop them otherwise they just keep on keepin' on.

    Great blog post.
    Gina

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